I was hopeful DKNY would help me supplement my golf wardrobe which consists mainly of Jaime Sadock, but I'm not a big fan of the fabric DKNY uses in their "bottoms". Not very much stretch and they have a shiny sheen which I think is most noticeable in the lighter colors. The sheen isn't over the top, just not my preference. I also noticed the condensation from my water bottle left light discoloration when it dripped on my shorts, it came out in the wash, but at the end of my round it made me feel grubby, if anyone else noticed I'm not sure. I do like the fuller rise and fit.